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ExgaladoEX · 29-12-2008, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by impz

It's the principle of it all. A shop should NEVER sell counterfeit stuff, particularly in a prestigous convention in AFA. If you buy it from some shady shop in Dexter Road, you are just asking to be steamrolled and it's an act of trying to bang yourself on the wall to see if the wall is strong enough for your head. However, the level of responsibility to present an authentic piece of merchandise in a legitimate anime convention that prides and aims to be the top convention in Singapore should be held higher. I am flabbergasted how people are condoning counterfeit, fake merchandise being sold by a distributor in a major convention as "a small matter." It's not, and it should be an important issue.

As many abovehave mentioned , not every retailer knows what shit they got , PiTB is reputed for good costume , never for collectable figurines ... I'm not saying a support the idea of knowingly selling bootlegs , but if it's an accident , y pull dwn the shop which is providing cosplayers reasonably accurate costumes ? It would be rather sad to see them get a bad name for somethnig they never really majored in >.>

P.S : TS bought it frm EoY XD not AFA XD

Knife · 29-12-2008, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Blurmage

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3217/...518bd663_o.jpg
Tell me which one of this is bootleg dear expert figurine collector please. I need your expert advice so I can tell the rest of my figurines collector who are noob.

Just trying out observational skills.

~~The one on the right seems odd. It's been removed from box and had it's face changed. You can tell from the disposition of the leek and upon closer inspection of the legs.~~

Gah!
The right is a fake...

double · 29-12-2008, 01:00 AM

Any shop stating that they do not know that their goods are bootlegged is at fault. Unless you sell bootlegs with a sign stating the stuff you're selling are bootlegs, I see this as fraud.

Also, everyone does know that in Singapore, ignorance doesn't exempt you from prosecution by the law, don't we?

Negimized · 29-12-2008, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by impz

It's the principle of it all. A shop should NEVER sell counterfeit stuff, particularly in a prestigous convention in AFA. If you buy it from some shady shop in Dexter Road, you are just asking to be steamrolled and it's an act of trying to bang yourself on the wall to see if the wall is strong enough for your head. However, the level of responsibility to present an authentic piece of merchandise in a legitimate anime convention that prides and aims to be the top convention in Singapore should be held higher. I am flabbergasted how people are condoning counterfeit, fake merchandise being sold by a distributor in a major convention as "a small matter." It's not, and it should be an important issue.

No matter how much you say about a shop should never sell imitations, it will still go on. But what makes it worst when the victim is the shop owner and customers themself? They are the one getting cheated on the product that they are buying.

Knife · 29-12-2008, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by impz

It's the principle of it all. A shop should NEVER sell counterfeit stuff, particularly in a prestigous convention in AFA. If you buy it from some shady shop in Dexter Road, you are just asking to be steamrolled and it's an act of trying to bang yourself on the wall to see if the wall is strong enough for your head. However, the level of responsibility to present an authentic piece of merchandise in a legitimate anime convention that prides and aims to be the top convention in Singapore should be held higher. I am flabbergasted how people are condoning counterfeit, fake merchandise being sold by a distributor in a major convention as "a small matter." It's not, and it should be an important issue.

Bolded: Yes I agree on that part but...

Red: the event is EOY, not AFA. EOY is a fan-for-fan event. Not that major and they sell almost anything I guess...

ExgaladoEX · 29-12-2008, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by double

Any shop stating that they do not know that their goods are bootlegged is at fault. Unless you sell bootlegs with a sign stating the stuff you're selling are bootlegs, I see this as fraud.

Also, everyone does know that in Singapore, ignorance doesn't exempt you from prosecution by the law, don't we?

Both TS and the shop are at fault , one for not checking the originlity of products and the other for buyer's remorse ...

As for putting up a sign saying "I sell bootlegs" . Chances are no1 will , but for their case i'm pretty conident tat PiTB does not know they are fakes ...

toasty.. · 29-12-2008, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by impz

I am not denying that possibility, but isn't it the responsibility of the shop to make sure that what it is selling/distributing is actually real? I am not saying that the TS is devoid of all responsibility. As a buyer, he could have been more informed about the situation, and as many have said in the thread, take this as a painful lesson to know that there are counterfeit stuff.

However, pledging ignorance for the side of the distributor does not shed the blame off him. Let me give a scenario. McDonalds accidentally sold some pork on the menu when it is supposed to be Halal. Obviously, McDonalds did not know about this, but it still happened. Muslims are offended because they ate the meat unknowingly and only realized when they consumed the food.. Does that mean that McDonalds, since they are ignorant of the fact that they do not know about it, means that they can be removed from blame? NO WAY. If you would say anything disagreeing about this point of view, I would love to see if it makes sense. I am probably lacking in the ability to understand the logic that goes against the above scenario. I do not deny that the example is not exactly the scenario that the TS has mentioned, but it is similar enough as an analogy.

Hence the previous post I've made.

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Why not ego? Is there any need to insult someone? Or is insulting someone supposed to be anything else but an attempt to make yourself look superior? I would love to hear from anyone about this.

The point is, why make such a big fuss over how much he lost over the pirated product, you think China's bootleg-ing factories are going to shut down after this complaint? I'd rather take this on a personal matter, and inform PITB about the pirated product.
This is complaints, he's complaining about PITB selling him a pirated product, we're complaining on how stupid he is not to check the product thoroughly before bringing it home.

ExgaladoEX · 29-12-2008, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by toasty..

The point is, why make such a big fuss over how much he lost over the pirated product, you think China's bootleg-ing factories are going to shut down after this complaint? I'd rather take this on a personal matter, and inform PITB about the pirated product.
This is complaints, he's complaining about how much he got a pirated product, we're complaining on how stupid he is not to check the product thoroughly before bringing it home.

Maybe TS was too happy to find his/her miku merchandise tat he/she did not check ? But it's still a lil' extreme to go so far to defame the shop ...

cutepetz · 29-12-2008, 01:10 AM

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As for putting up a sign saying "I sell bootlegs" . Chances are no1 will , but for their case i'm pretty conident tat PiTB does not know they are fakes ...

maybe, because they been selling it for a very long time already.
and my otaku friends can tell that is bootlegs for their last time stuff

Elydis · 29-12-2008, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by toasty..

Hence the previous post I've made.

The point is, why make such a big fuss over how much he lost over the pirated product, you think China's bootleg-ing factories are going to shut down after this complaint? I'd rather take this on a personal matter, and inform PITB about the pirated product.
This is complaints, he's complaining about PITB selling him a pirated product, we're complaining on how stupid he is not to check the product thoroughly before bringing it home.

The point Impz is trying to make is about the ethics in consumerism. I think this thread itself has proven how damaging a slip up can be. Retailers are responsible for consumer interest.

impz · 29-12-2008, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by toasty..

This is complaints, he's complaining about PITB selling him a pirated product, we're complaining on how stupid he is not to check the product thoroughly before bringing it home.

Complaining about a legitimate issue about pirated products when a seller should NEVER be selling counterfeit material is perhaps decently logical. That said, I never removed BM from blame for not checking. However, calling someone stupid? I do not seem to see this as anything constructive. I do not even see that as complaining, more like insulting. Sorry if there is something I am missing out here, or perhaps my inadequacy at the English language meant that I cannot differentiate between the two terms. I apologize.

If you are complaining that he should be keeping this to himself because it is a small matter, I have to agree to disagree with you. Selling fake things is never a small matter, when it is expected to check its goods actively to make sure that the customer buys exactly what he or she wants. I do not think he is defaming the shop by calling it a fake good shop. I am quite sure that many have noted the reputation of the shop as one of good standing. It is clearly the action that is the issue, not the shop. I think people have to grasp the main idea rather than the inconsequential details of his post.

I do agree with you wholeheartedly that BM should pick this up personally with the company for further discussions. With that, I rest my case since the conflict has been significantly resolved by some active discussions.

double · 29-12-2008, 01:17 AM

We should all know where we should boycott now. And it's all thanks to Blurmage's courageous deed.

toasty.. · 29-12-2008, 01:18 AM

I checked the pictures again and I thought another (unlikely) scenario would be:

The bootleg figure is from Good Smile, but a possibly rejected one, hence sold at a lower price.

The thing is, the packaging is similar, the items are similar, the face expression is different though, but it may be variable. Only there are disrepancies such as glossy material, eyes and the blush (which may have been an airbrush mistake?)

Although I do not know what does Good Smile does with their rejected products but selling them at a lower price sounds like the AS-IS at Ikea.

Blurmage · 29-12-2008, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Knife

Just trying out observational skills.

~~The one on the right seems odd. It's been removed from box and had it's face changed. You can tell from the disposition of the leek and upon closer inspection of the legs.~~

Gah!
The right is a fake...

Congrats, you got it right together with -Tohru-.
The box already been opened and I've used it to take photos before putting it back. Face already been swapped by myself and some of the parts I did not put it back properly(eg. the leek).

The actual difference(box only) after comparing is the color of the frame around the see thru plastic.

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Originally Posted by Negimized

You making a bad name of the shop is enough. If this is some kinda ****ing cheap thrill for you about the replies you see here, get laid.
And you are clearly complaining about your tiny mistake on the shop and yourself. Sure, they might have bootlegs item so what?
I still buy them. And I clearly never blame them whereas you do.

You might say I am covering up for the shop. Yeah, feel free. Because I know what I am saying.
I am not saying this coz I know the shop owner or what shit, I am saying out of own will and because of you being a little kid complaining you had gotten something that you want but too bad its a bootleg.

I never said it's a cheap trill or trying to start a dorama here. I'm just amazed at how much of the people here thinks it's ok to sell bootleg products as long as you don't buy them. Buying them means customer's fault for not checking and not the seller's fault for selling them.
I already admitted is my mistake on my blog post, surprisingly many here do not know how to read and one retard with a SG IP actually left an epic comment at the post too.

cutepetz · 29-12-2008, 01:18 AM

TS needs this!
FAKE MERCHANDISE FAQ

29-12-2008, 01:18 AM	#103 (permalink)
toasty.. Stealing your toast Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Toaster Posts: 3,029 Trade rep: 0 (0%)	I checked the pictures again and I thought another (unlikely) scenario would be: The bootleg figure is from Good Smile, but a possibly rejected one, hence sold at a lower price. The thing is, the packaging is similar, the items are similar, the face expression is different though, but it may be variable. Only there are disrepancies such as glossy material, eyes and the blush (which may have been an airbrush mistake?) Although I do not know what does Good Smile does with their rejected products but selling them at a lower price sounds like the AS-IS at Ikea. __________________ Trollkastel has your family trapped on a secluded island getting them murdered by magic over and over again.

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cutepetz Nipah~ Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: wahah In the land of all animals Posts: 20,806 Trade rep: 3 (100%)	TS needs this! FAKE MERCHANDISE FAQ __________________ Sprees ,Nails and more 8D Cutepetz have Cute Pets!~

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29-12-2008, 01:00 AM	#93 (permalink)
double Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Singapore Posts: 34 Trade rep: 0 (0%)	Any shop stating that they do not know that their goods are bootlegged is at fault. Unless you sell bootlegs with a sign stating the stuff you're selling are bootlegs, I see this as fraud. Also, everyone does know that in Singapore, ignorance doesn't exempt you from prosecution by the law, don't we?

29-12-2008, 01:17 AM	#102 (permalink)
double Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Singapore Posts: 34 Trade rep: 0 (0%)	We should all know where we should boycott now. And it's all thanks to Blurmage's courageous deed.