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Destructos · 18-08-2005, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by vince123123

As far as I am aware, you can trade mark numbers. three random digits and above are possibly allowed, assuming that there is no descriptive meaning accorded to the numbers in relation to the goods and services or some other reason which makes it devoid of distinctiveness.

As for "windows", it has been registered in Singapore by Microsoft Corporation for various services. A so called generic mark can be registered if there is sufficient evidence of use made of it such that the mark acquires distinctiveness.

Hope the above is useful.

Hmmm... good to know, good to know.
But Microsoft wasn't so successful in its case against Lindows, and ended up buying over the software and code(they can frikkin' afford it...) and I'll never see anything like that again(Lindows does indeed have this distinct 'Windows' feel which is meant to help the transition to Linux easier)... oh well...

janys- · 18-08-2005, 04:17 PM

I just think its hilarious to "trademarking" cosplay. Am I the only one? XD

Destructos · 18-08-2005, 04:21 PM

No Janys- ... you're not the only one... like I've said...

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Originally Posted by Destructos

And what next?? They'll copyright plastic model building, car modding, PC moding and the act of copulation??? ... ...

Naw... just as I've said, copyrighting Cosplaying is stupid and immensely retarded...

Pheliosstar · 18-08-2005, 04:25 PM

I want to register a trademark known as "breathing"(the act of inducing air into the body, human or otherwise)

vince123123 · 18-08-2005, 04:48 PM

You can sure try to do so, but why would you want to go to the expense unless its for business?

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Originally Posted by Pheliosstar

I want to register a trademark known as "breathing"(the act of inducing air into the body, human or otherwise)

vince123123 · 18-08-2005, 04:48 PM

Problem is that someone has already done so, and now no one else can use it in relation to the services claimed by him.

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Originally Posted by janys-

I just think its hilarious to "trademarking" cosplay. Am I the only one? XD

Destructos · 18-08-2005, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pheliosstar

I want to register a trademark known as "breathing"(the act of inducing air into the body, human or otherwise)

If it ain't for a product that'll generate revenue... don't bother...

But hey, the idea of stupidity is there...

Cosplaying(TM)(r)... ...
It just doesn't look right that way...

KeoKepa · 18-08-2005, 05:10 PM

you know.
instead of debating here...

just go to takahan/Tan Yueh Han(they are the same person.) and ask him.

it's about the same as going to the source of the problem and seek answers instead of following a trail of endless questions which will leave you still confused in the end.

Destructos · 18-08-2005, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by KeoKepa

you know.
instead of debating here...

just go to takahan/Tan Yueh Han(they are the same person.) and ask him.

it's about the same as going to the source of the problem and seek answers instead of following a trail of endless questions which will leave you still confused in the end.

We're just mocking the idiocy of trademarking the term cosplay... or the very act of it...

Or maybe I'm just the only one...
Oh well...

Tralalalala...

vince123123 · 18-08-2005, 05:43 PM

Well actually it may not be as idiotic as said. By registering the trade mark, he has effectively cut anyone out using the same mark for such activities.

That said, there are still ways to try to revoke the trade mark registration if a party is really determined.

Destructos · 18-08-2005, 05:48 PM

I think it's pointless to try to trademark a term that describes a hobby...

Imagine having a product with the name 'Stamp Collecting'... pfft...
It's hilarious.

Darth_me · 18-08-2005, 06:19 PM

If you look at the link provided by cry_baby under the 'specifications of Goods & Services' it states:

'Arranging and conducting of workshops; books (publication of books); club services (entertainment or education); competitions (organisation of entertainment activities); exhibitions for cultural or educational purposes; planning party (entertainment); trainings (demonstration); studios (movie).'

Does it mean that people can not use examples: Cosplay workshop, cosplay magazine/book, cosplay club, cosplay competition, cosplay exhibition, cosplay gathering/part, cosplay movie? If it is really so, that is like a complete domination of anything business that is cosplay related in Singapore! Scary! I personally feel that this is hilarious and same time very immoral. You can earn money through selling of cosplay products, but how could you stop others from earning money through cosplay as well?

I have just made a chk on the Trademark Act in sg and I got the info below:

Absolute grounds for refusal of registration
7. —(1) The following shall not be registered:

(a) signs which do not satisfy the definition of a trade mark in section 2 (1);

(b) trade marks which are devoid of any distinctive character;

(c) trade marks which consist exclusively of signs or indications which may serve, in trade, to designate the kind, quality, quantity, intended purpose, value, geographical origin, the time of production of goods or of rendering of services, or other characteristics of goods or services; and

(d) trade marks which consist exclusively of signs or indications which have become customary in the current language or in the bona fide and established practices of the trade.

I am just wondering how could registration be even successful if you look at the above. Cosplay is something like a hobby and culture event, isn't it?

hayami.wai · 18-08-2005, 06:24 PM

ok. just did a check. apparently, the WORD "cosplay" has been trademark'ed. meaning, any usage of the word without disinct changes to it(be it spellling or design) will be deemed as infringing the trademark rights of the owner.

to put it simple. unless the word "cosplay" is not respelled (e.g C@splay, cos-play), it is illegal.

inorder to use the word "Cosplay", permission must be saught from the trademark applicant.

which means, Singapore Cosplay Club (SCC) might be involved in some legal implications, unless the founder had got the permission from, or the owner of the trademark'ed "cosplay" decide not to pursue the matter.

Destructos · 18-08-2005, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth_me

Absolute grounds for refusal of registration
7. —(1) The following shall not be registered:

(a) signs which do not satisfy the definition of a trade mark in section 2 (1);

(b) trade marks which are devoid of any distinctive character;

(c) trade marks which consist exclusively of signs or indications which may serve, in trade, to designate the kind, quality, quantity, intended purpose, value, geographical origin, the time of production of goods or of rendering of services, or other characteristics of goods or services; and

(d) trade marks which consist exclusively of signs or indications which have become customary in the current language or in the bona fide and established practices of the trade.

I am just wondering how could registration be even successful if you look at the above. Cosplay is something like a hobby and culture event, isn't it?

Nice find, new blood!!!

especially regarding point (d).
It's settled then, idea of trademarking term 'cosplay' = sto0p|dz. Period.

Destructos · 18-08-2005, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by hayami.wai

ok. just did a check. apparently, the WORD "cosplay" has been trademark'ed. meaning, any usage of the word without disinct changes to it(be it spellling or design) will be deemed as infringing the trademark rights of the owner.

to put it simple. unless the word "cosplay" is not respelled (e.g C@splay, cos-play), it is illegal.

inorder to use the word "Cosplay", permission must be saught from the trademark applicant.

which means, Singapore Cosplay Club (SCC) might be involved in some legal implications, unless the founder had got the permission from, or the owner of the trademark'ed "cosplay" decide not to pursue the matter.

Wow, a twist to this little saga...

Oh well... such is the world...

18-08-2005, 04:25 PM	#19 (permalink)
Pheliosstar Post-Crazy Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,193 Trade rep: 0 (0%)	I want to register a trademark known as "breathing"(the act of inducing air into the body, human or otherwise) __________________ There's always something else in my pictures

18-08-2005, 05:10 PM	#23 (permalink)
KeoKepa Post-Crazy Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Highway 69 Posts: 3,419 Trade rep: 0 (0%)	you know. instead of debating here... just go to takahan/Tan Yueh Han(they are the same person.) and ask him. it's about the same as going to the source of the problem and seek answers instead of following a trail of endless questions which will leave you still confused in the end. __________________ I love it when i can get emotional responses from you all without doing much. Too easy Use the Ignore List, it's the best function of this forum,everything else is just fluff.

18-08-2005, 05:48 PM	#26 (permalink)
Destructos Member Equipped With Machine Gun For Posting Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Amongst the Catacombs of Nephren-Ka Posts: 10,338 Trade rep: 0 (0%)	I think it's pointless to try to trademark a term that describes a hobby... Imagine having a product with the name 'Stamp Collecting'... pfft... It's hilarious. __________________ \m/ Shitstorms r Us

18-08-2005, 06:24 PM	#28 (permalink)
hayami.wai Post-Crazy Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: yozora.org Posts: 4,023 Trade rep: 0 (0%)	ok. just did a check. apparently, the WORD "cosplay" has been trademark'ed. meaning, any usage of the word without disinct changes to it(be it spellling or design) will be deemed as infringing the trademark rights of the owner. to put it simple. unless the word "cosplay" is not respelled (e.g C@splay, cos-play), it is illegal. inorder to use the word "Cosplay", permission must be saught from the trademark applicant. which means, Singapore Cosplay Club (SCC) might be involved in some legal implications, unless the founder had got the permission from, or the owner of the trademark'ed "cosplay" decide not to pursue the matter. __________________ Portable Audio: Sandisk Sansa Fuze 4GB \| Audio Technica ESW10JPN Ultra Portable Audio: Sandisk Sansa Fuze 4GB \| Audio Technica ATH-CK10

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18-08-2005, 04:17 PM	#17 (permalink)
janys- Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: 硝子の海 Posts: 778 Trade rep: 0 (0%)	I just think its hilarious to "trademarking" cosplay. Am I the only one? XD

18-08-2005, 05:43 PM	#25 (permalink)
vince123123 Legal Eagle Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,219 Trade rep: 0 (0%)	Well actually it may not be as idiotic as said. By registering the trade mark, he has effectively cut anyone out using the same mark for such activities. That said, there are still ways to try to revoke the trade mark registration if a party is really determined.

18-08-2005, 06:19 PM	#27 (permalink)
Darth_me Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 9 Trade rep: 0 (0%)	If you look at the link provided by cry_baby under the 'specifications of Goods & Services' it states: 'Arranging and conducting of workshops; books (publication of books); club services (entertainment or education); competitions (organisation of entertainment activities); exhibitions for cultural or educational purposes; planning party (entertainment); trainings (demonstration); studios (movie).' Does it mean that people can not use examples: Cosplay workshop, cosplay magazine/book, cosplay club, cosplay competition, cosplay exhibition, cosplay gathering/part, cosplay movie? If it is really so, that is like a complete domination of anything business that is cosplay related in Singapore! Scary! I personally feel that this is hilarious and same time very immoral. You can earn money through selling of cosplay products, but how could you stop others from earning money through cosplay as well? I have just made a chk on the Trademark Act in sg and I got the info below: Absolute grounds for refusal of registration 7. —(1) The following shall not be registered: (a) signs which do not satisfy the definition of a trade mark in section 2 (1); (b) trade marks which are devoid of any distinctive character; (c) trade marks which consist exclusively of signs or indications which may serve, in trade, to designate the kind, quality, quantity, intended purpose, value, geographical origin, the time of production of goods or of rendering of services, or other characteristics of goods or services; and (d) trade marks which consist exclusively of signs or indications which have become customary in the current language or in the bona fide and established practices of the trade. I am just wondering how could registration be even successful if you look at the above. Cosplay is something like a hobby and culture event, isn't it?